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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Dec 2010 12:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like it, Elliott!  Your ability to cut to the heart of the issue shows clarity of thought, and your writing involves humor, too. (J, take a break.  Go get a girlfriend.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like it, Elliott!  Your ability to cut to the heart of the issue shows clarity of thought, and your writing involves humor, too. (J, take a break.  Go get a girlfriend.)</p>
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		<title>By: j</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2010 22:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The realm of the problems themselves is logic, but the means of arriving at a mathematical solution defies all reason…&quot;

What utter garbage. Please tell me this is Poe&#039;s Law in action or something. Because you don&#039;t understand/some scientists don&#039;t understand/humanity doesn&#039;t understand what it takes to &quot;solve problems&quot; of a mathematical nature doesn&#039;t mean mathematics is a fucking branch of theology.

I&#039;d have been just fine if you called it an &quot;art&quot;, because that&#039;s closer to a description that fits what math really is. Instead you decided to brandish your ignorance and jump on the God bandwagon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The realm of the problems themselves is logic, but the means of arriving at a mathematical solution defies all reason…&#8221;</p>
<p>What utter garbage. Please tell me this is Poe&#8217;s Law in action or something. Because you don&#8217;t understand/some scientists don&#8217;t understand/humanity doesn&#8217;t understand what it takes to &#8220;solve problems&#8221; of a mathematical nature doesn&#8217;t mean mathematics is a <acronym title="fucking">*******</acronym> branch of theology.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d have been just fine if you called it an &#8220;art&#8221;, because that&#8217;s closer to a description that fits what math really is. Instead you decided to brandish your ignorance and jump on the God bandwagon.</p>
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		<title>By: Kerry Craig Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kerry Craig Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2010 05:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your right...mathematics is not science...but they are all stating wrong conclusions...search: mathematical proof of a creative intelligence</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your right&#8230;mathematics is not science&#8230;but they are all stating wrong conclusions&#8230;search: mathematical proof of a creative intelligence</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 23:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erik -&gt;

Mathematics (pure theory, that is) is the study of axiomatic systems.  Which axiomatic system you&#039;re studying depends upon your field of mathematics (geometry, topology, group theory, etc.)  Since any mathematical system relies upon a foundation of axioms (given truths), it is possible to call it &quot;exact&quot; because you can rely entirely upon deductive logic and your axioms, and (generally) declare a theorem to be true; that is to say, at the end of a proof, you can declare Q.E.D.  There is no ambiguity, if our axioms are true (and they must be, they are axioms), then the theorem must be true.

Generally speaking this is not the case in science, as we don&#039;t have declarative axioms.

For a more detailed explanation: 

http://padraic2112.wordpress.com/2007/09/28/mathematics-is-not-a-science/

Elliot -&gt;

I&#039;d disagree that theology is a good analogy for mathematics, because theologies assume there is a being outside the system dictating the formation of the system, and the field involves &quot;discovering&quot; the ramifications of the system.  In this sense, theology is a process of discovery (oddly enough, like science).  Mathematical systems do not have this characteristic - they are constructed systems, not discovered ones.  Properly, Mathematics itself is closer to philosophy than it is to either science or theology.  Theological systems don&#039;t have to be consistent (generally aren&#039;t, in fact) - you can have contradictory axioms in a theology leading to Mysteries.  You can&#039;t have Mysteries in math :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erik -&gt;</p>
<p>Mathematics (pure theory, that is) is the study of axiomatic systems.  Which axiomatic system you&#8217;re studying depends upon your field of mathematics (geometry, topology, group theory, etc.)  Since any mathematical system relies upon a foundation of axioms (given truths), it is possible to call it &#8220;exact&#8221; because you can rely entirely upon deductive logic and your axioms, and (generally) declare a theorem to be true; that is to say, at the end of a proof, you can declare Q.E.D.  There is no ambiguity, if our axioms are true (and they must be, they are axioms), then the theorem must be true.</p>
<p>Generally speaking this is not the case in science, as we don&#8217;t have declarative axioms.</p>
<p>For a more detailed explanation: </p>
<p><a href="http://padraic2112.wordpress.com/2007/09/28/mathematics-is-not-a-science/" rel="nofollow">http://padraic2112.wordpress.com/2007/09/28/mathematics-is-not-a-science/</a></p>
<p>Elliot -&gt;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d disagree that theology is a good analogy for mathematics, because theologies assume there is a being outside the system dictating the formation of the system, and the field involves &#8220;discovering&#8221; the ramifications of the system.  In this sense, theology is a process of discovery (oddly enough, like science).  Mathematical systems do not have this characteristic &#8211; they are constructed systems, not discovered ones.  Properly, Mathematics itself is closer to philosophy than it is to either science or theology.  Theological systems don&#8217;t have to be consistent (generally aren&#8217;t, in fact) &#8211; you can have contradictory axioms in a theology leading to Mysteries.  You can&#8217;t have Mysteries in math <img src='http://elliottback.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 May 2006 19:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but I must disagree.  Mathematics is the greatest science of all.  In reality mathematics is the only exact science, chemistry, biology is merely just the study of patterns &amp; probabilit and evidence where mathematics can be rigorously derived through logic and the foundations of axioms. Math is the basis of all sciences, they physical science whether it be physics, chemistry, medicine could not exist without math: from the simplest addition to even the complexity of manifolds.  Karl Friedrich Gauss once said &quot;Mathematics is the Queen of a sciences&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but I must disagree.  Mathematics is the greatest science of all.  In reality mathematics is the only exact science, chemistry, biology is merely just the study of patterns &amp; probabilit and evidence where mathematics can be rigorously derived through logic and the foundations of axioms. Math is the basis of all sciences, they physical science whether it be physics, chemistry, medicine could not exist without math: from the simplest addition to even the complexity of manifolds.  Karl Friedrich Gauss once said &#8220;Mathematics is the Queen of a sciences&#8221;</p>
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