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	<title>Comments on: Benchmarking Java 1.4 versus 1.5</title>
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		<title>By: Abhi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abhi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 05:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey elliot,
thts a nice comparison.....n practical too.
i ve got a query....i was preparing for sun certified java programmer (SCJP)
 frm 2 months...n i was looking for 1.5 , but my company wud re-emburse the const for 1.4 only...so ..to d surrprise ive 2 give scjp 1.4 now....can u provide me any link tht clearly specificies d difference bet both in already existing 
apis or shud i just go n give test ..considering both work d same way (programatically)..! thanks in advance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey elliot,<br />
thts a nice comparison&#8230;..n practical too.<br />
i ve got a query&#8230;.i was preparing for sun certified java programmer (SCJP)<br />
 frm 2 months&#8230;n i was looking for 1.5 , but my company wud re-emburse the const for 1.4 only&#8230;so ..to d surrprise ive 2 give scjp 1.4 now&#8230;.can u provide me any link tht clearly specificies d difference bet both in already existing<br />
apis or shud i just go n give test ..considering both work d same way (programatically)..! thanks in advance.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Oezbek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Oezbek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Elliot,
  good. I had mistaken the output data for plain &#039;java ...&#039; runs that you started a couple of times from the console.

The main motivation for these question was the fact, that I am working in an empirical software engineering department and those little omissions and imprecisions can make all the difference there is for an empirical result.

Cheers and thanks for the results, :-)
  Christopher</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Elliot,<br />
  good. I had mistaken the output data for plain &#8216;java &#8230;&#8217; runs that you started a couple of times from the console.</p>
<p>The main motivation for these question was the fact, that I am working in an empirical software engineering department and those little omissions and imprecisions can make all the difference there is for an empirical result.</p>
<p>Cheers and thanks for the results, <img src='http://elliottback.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
  Christopher</p>
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		<title>By: Elliott Back</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elliott Back</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2005 06:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, I&#039;m not sure why you&#039;re asking these generally good questions so out of context.  I ran the java port of linpack I found--see link above--and recorded the times.  The times are measured *after* startup, by the linpack program itself, which should be obvious if you realized what I was measuring by reading the above.

The presentation of the data is minimal--you can figure it out.  It was just a quick test, my friend...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, I&#8217;m not sure why you&#8217;re asking these generally good questions so out of context.  I ran the java port of linpack I found&#8211;see link above&#8211;and recorded the times.  The times are measured *after* startup, by the linpack program itself, which should be obvious if you realized what I was measuring by reading the above.</p>
<p>The presentation of the data is minimal&#8211;you can figure it out.  It was just a quick test, my friend&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Oezbek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Oezbek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Elliot,
  could you add a little bit more information about which kind of tests you ran (how big was the program etc)? It is especially troubling to compare such small runs (4 seconds?), because then a bigger start-up overhead might ruin your whole comparison.

Also there are some problems with the presentation of the data:

   * Why are the red and green boxes culmulative in the upper chart? In generall a histogram should not be used to present individual data points. The box plot is much better.
   * A good labeling would explain that the black graph belongs to Java 5 and that the red one to Java 2.
   * Data is not a good way to represent a dimension (&quot;MFlops high is better&quot; makes a better label).
   * Maybe you can add individual data-points to the boxplot and explain the individual lines and tails better.

Thanks,
  Christopher</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Elliot,<br />
  could you add a little bit more information about which kind of tests you ran (how big was the program etc)? It is especially troubling to compare such small runs (4 seconds?), because then a bigger start-up overhead might ruin your whole comparison.</p>
<p>Also there are some problems with the presentation of the data:</p>
<p>   * Why are the red and green boxes culmulative in the upper chart? In generall a histogram should not be used to present individual data points. The box plot is much better.<br />
   * A good labeling would explain that the black graph belongs to Java 5 and that the red one to Java 2.<br />
   * Data is not a good way to represent a dimension (&#8220;MFlops high is better&#8221; makes a better label).<br />
   * Maybe you can add individual data-points to the boxplot and explain the individual lines and tails better.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
  Christopher</p>
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